Who is Peter Joseph ?
Peter Joseph has been hiding his identity for some time now, and thanks to an anonymous poster here, we have some information that could lay it all to rest.
According to recent information he is allegedly P J Merola, a musician from North Carolina who has a brother called Eric Merola [Both of whom made the zeitgeist movies] who is an animator with recent work on the Michael Moore movie ‘Capitalism a love story’.
Check the biog of PJ Merola
Peter Joseph Merola,
Born: USAThe Americam marimba player, composer and arranger, P.J. Merola, is a alumni of The North Carolina School of the Arts and the Mannes Conservatory of Music in NYC.
P.J. Merola maintains an active career and is one of the few solo percussionist/marimbists working today. He received an exclusive award in Solo Percussion Performance from the National Endowment for the Arts (USA) in 1997 and collaborates/performs/composes extensively with many groups and organizations. He is a large advocate of multi-media expression and new music, while maintaining a focus on classical transcriptions and adaptations within the medium.
Taken from here:
Now take a look at this biog from the zeitgeist movie page:
Who is Peter Joseph and how did Zeitgeist come to be? Peter was born in North Carolina to a middle class family.He later moved to New York initially to attend art school. Currently he lives and works in New York City as a freelance film editor/composer/producer for various industries.
Taken from here:
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/q&a.htm
Also it is worth comparing the images on that biography page of P J Merola and a current image of Peter Joseph
Then from here we can go into an article about P J Merola and Eric Merola in the New York ‘village voice’ where they discuss their livelihoods and life here:
Notice in this article it discusses they live above the Dollhaus gallery on Broadway.
What is also very curious about this address is that further down the road at 380 Broadway there was a free show this being a media event of a movie and music entitled ‘Zeitgeist’ in May – June 2007 featuring P J Merola, which can be verified here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=160531&mesg_id=161145
http://newyork.timeout.com/events/opera-classical/3276/42967/zeitgeist
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=160531&mesg_id=161145
http://newyork.timeout.com/events/opera-classical/3276/42967/zeitgeist
Now consider this statement taken from the zeitgeist movie website about the original zeitgeist event:
Zeitgeist came into existence as a personal project which was shown in New York as a free public awareness expression. After the event was over, “The Movie” was tossed online with little thought given to a public response.
Taken from here:
Zeitgeist came into existence as a personal project which was shown in New York as a free public awareness expression. After the event was over, “The Movie” was tossed online with little thought given to a public response.
Taken from here:
This leads on to P J Merolas brother Eric. This guy is an animator and has worked on Michael Moores recent movie.
Capitalism: A Love Story (2009)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1232207/fullcredits
Animation Department
Eric Merola …. animation director
Also a movie about a late night talk show radio host entitled ‘I’ll believe you’ which can be verified here:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0377061/fullcredits#cast
Visual Effects by
Eric Merola …. chief animator
And in a further new york times piece:
Erics current work is about a doctor who is working on alternative methods of treatment for cancer called ‘Burzynski’ and can be verified here: [UPDATE: Looks like they have moved this site offline since we posted this article, interesting how theyre systematically removing evidence, but you can use time machine to view it still]
And erics animation works can be seen on his page here:
It is also worthy to note that the zeitgeist movie has animations in it that his brother eric could have easily done, because the zeitgeist movies’ artwork and animations were created by one Eric Clinton, this man has no other works and its odd that the names Eric & Peter are tied together yet again, perhaps this is another pseudo in use ?.
[UPDATE : MEROLA, ERIC CLINTON ]
ok we now know that Eric Clinton who did the animations on zeitgeist is one and the same Eric Clinton Merola. who is P J Merolas Brother]
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1166827/fullcredits#cast
Art Department
Eric Clinton …. illustrationAnimation Department
Eric Clinton …. animator
Now back to P J Merola, it is interesting to note that he plays the marimba and has had a self recorded and self released CD of J.S.Bach covers here:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url?_encoding=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=music&field-artist=PJ%20Merola
The soundtrack for zeitgeist heavily features the musical instrument the marimba throughout its entirity, the same instrument P J Merola is known for.
Here is an example of the marimba being played to listen and verify:
Note both the brothers are film and media producers, and they have instruments and editing suites in their New York apartment in Broadway.
They are both interested/attracted to alternative ideologies and conspiracy type movies.
Each brother has the same skillsets and requisite traits to easily be tied together.
Is this just mere coincidence, or have we simply laid this case to rest about the anonymity ?
Disclaimer:
All this information is freely available online, so no complaints about invasion of privacy are valid,we have not given any information that is not publicly available, and this is a speculative piece, so it is all alleged. If any of this publicly available information presented is true and people reading this use it negatively,they personally are responsible for their actions, and we take no liability or responsibility for their actions or undertakings.
Thanks to anon for all the help and information
For more information read the following :
http://conspiracyscience.com/forums/topic/peter-joseph-is-charles-robinson
http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/02/16/who-is-peter-joseph-part-2/
http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/08/10/who-is-peter-joseph-part-3-charles-robinson/
Also this information has just been passed on to me by anon:
Taken from here: http://www.merolaproductions.com/TheGreatDerangement.html
Another interesting thing about this video is the subject of the book it’s promoting, ‘The Great Derangement’ by Matt Taibbi. The book pokes fun at religion and the Bush administration, but ironically also rips on the 9/11 truthers.
Matt Taibbi describes the book in this interview: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-may-27-2008/matt-taibbi
Here’s his original article where Taibbi rips apart 9/11 conspiracies: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/11818067/the_low_post_the_hopeless_stupidity_of_911_conspiracies
A quote from the article:
“I challenge a 9/11 Truth leader like Loose Change writer Dylan Avery to come up with a detailed, complete summary of the alleged plot — not the bits and pieces, but the whole story, put together — that would not make any fifth grader anywhere burst out in convulsive laughter.”
I think it’s hillarious, but I’m not a 9/11 truther. I wonder what some of the zeitgeister’s would say about the fact that one of the creators of Zeitgeist (Eric Clinton/Eric Merola) was also paid to promote a book that says truthers are clinically insane?
As a “zeitgeister” I would say I believe that 9/11 truthers being clinically insane seems highly likely. I would also ask what the point to this article is. To discredit Peter? Nice try…
Peter and zeitgeist discredited themselves numerous times already, this article just points things about him out, :)
UPDATED:
Alernative Link to watch the video
UPDATE
It is interesting that they removed this video from their youtube account showing Peter and Eric arriving, and Peter discussing the problems he is having with the transition plan with Jacque. [Removed from youtube user Journey2Venus, where it was originally hosted]
I wonder who asked them to do this ?
Anyway luckily people backed this video up.
Here is an old image taken from http://www.pjmerola.com
His old music website, I used timemachine to view the old website which was closed in Oct. 2007 when zeitgeist became famous, this image is off the main page and is a header image:
It’s too bad that Archive doesn’t let you listen to the music samples on that site.
You can listen to some here in a video entitled ‘Aint never silent (2000)’ at the bottom right.
He works/worked with this company of dancers quite regularly it seems
Also he had music playing @ the edinburgh fringe festival Wednesday, August 12th – Sunday, August 16th, 2009, see page 4:
Here is an image of Eric Merola, is there a resemblance ? He looks like a nice guy though by appearances.
Taken from here:
http://www.dexigner.com/design_news/6325.html
And heres peter :
Taken from here:
http://www.eerieinvestigations.com/gallery.html
Well, I guess that clears it up and now we can worry about something else!
It’s interesting that the Village Voice says he is a short-term equities trader. I wonder if he stopped that after he decided that the monetary system was a fraud.
Yeah I know a few of us were discussing that too.
Its also interesting all of the major companies his brother has worked for in his flickerlab portfolio below too.
http://www.dexigner.com/design_news/6325.html
If he equities trades, perhaps if he makes money at it, he can tell us what software he uses (Unless he’s skilled in the art personally, in which case, shouldn’t he put together a money making team to help Fresco?) so we can all get into the act!
I have to say, I feel more comfortable now knowing he’s just an ordinary gifted guy, whose struggled in life, experienced up and downs like the rest of us, and probably wishes he owned his own place!
I do find it interesting that people knew who he was 2 years ago and the information was just lurking around on the internet that anyone could with a bit of effort stumble across.
I find it curious that people are more interested in who peter joseph is, than about the transparency of the finances of all the Venus Project & Zeitgeist companies, or other important issues we have brought up.
The point in all of this is such:
Any leader of a movement making publicly available movies condeming large groups of people and systems, and advising everyone to take certain actions, such as boycotting monetary systems, whilst focusing on a single aspect that is supposed to be solving the worlds problems is innevitably going to come under public scrutiny.
Anyone who would think they could make these kind of huge public media projects and just continue on under anonymity, whilst let everyone else take the wrap is utterly preposterous.
I get flack for pointing this out in this blog and I dont even have the egotistical nerve to offer my advice on solving the worlds issues, so why this man thinks he is above reproach and should be allowed some kind of anonymity as if he is special is simply not right.
As crazy as Alex Jones is, at least we know hes a business man making money from his exploits, we know who he is because he is public and doesnt hide who he is, maybe more on his background should be done too i admit. I respect Alex Jones in that he is publicly visible and doesnt hide his identity or attempt to, regardless of whether I think hes an arrogant man.
Then there are other people who have gone out on a limb discussing taboo and sensitive subjects in public areas and simply accepted they made the choice to do it, and they have to say who they are eventually.
Peter Joseph is nothing special and is not exempt from public scrutiny for his movies and ideas, his background is as important to what he is saying because it shows how much he truly believes and lives what he is saying, otherwise he is hypocritical.
To say ‘if he hadn’t offended them he’d have nothing to fear’ is a little silly. When you’re talking about fundamentalists they all too often attack things that have absolutely no gripe with them.
Should Bjork be subjected to bomb scares because she says things like “Christianity forced us to ignore nature”? She has been, but she shouldn’t be.
No its not silly at all, Peter made his choices to offend and berate people in the public, if he is that naive to think it would have no effect on him and that he should be allowed to say what he wants without any backlash then he deserves a reality check.
I would not go on prime time air space saying something as appalling as “all gays should be neutered because they are useless to society as they have no inherent function to nature”[this was just a random BS example made up], firstly because its totally wrong, secondly because I understand how offensive and ignorant it is to treat human beings in this way by saying such nonsense.
If he is so stupid to think he can just say what he wants about society and religion and be above reproach, then in all truth he deserves to be told he is a jack ass for it.
Freedom of speech is all well and good, but anyone who thinks they can just say something this offensive to huge populations of society and then walk away anonymously is an idiot.
And might I add I dont condone violence or threats of violence, they are idiots too.
If you think that having a critical opinion of religion is akin to insulting people who CANNOT HELP who they are (gay people, myself being one of them) then I have to declare cognitive dissonance.
[edited this paragraph - marked as irrelevant]
Not all Christians are like that, but if you didn’t notice Peter was addressing the social destructive fundamentalist Christianity. And fundamentalism in -all- forms is nothing but dangerous. It can never be constructive because it is like unto a pillar of salt.
If anybody does try to hurt Peter, it will only strengthen this Movement by making it more holographic than it is already becoming. That is why there is no failing for this Movement, as you have suggested there will be, because in the long run there is going to be no reliance on any director or leader but chapters all over the world that are only slightly interdependent.
If you want to make analogies, please make ones that relates with Peter’s critique on religion because the ‘gay’ one just doesn’t fit. And that’s coming from someone who has gone through all the bullshit ‘you can change’ arguments from anti-gayists.
That ‘gayness’ of yours is it social conditioning or genetic ?
You are well aware I am not homophobic also, my point was just an example of how offensive things are when stated in public to categories of people.
I will bring this issue of conditioning and genetics up in another thread perhaps, because it is unecessary for you and I to continue this issue here.
Likewise the issue of religion is for another thread, but I will say peters statements about jesus not existing are highly offensive to religious people, anyone with half a brain cell can see that. Though they are not offensive to me personally.
I also wouldnt wish or want anyone to hurt peter that would be a very low thing for a person to do, its highly unlikely anyone will consider him important or a threat, this is just his own and his fans paranoid ego tripping.
Let me add this too I do believe people are certainly allowed to be equally offensive back to his beliefs and ideologies in response to his spurious claims.
I will leave this discussion here with your last comment because it is becoming some what detracting from the topic.
All the best
The accusation that “peters statements about jesus not existing are highly offensive to religious people” is pretty silly because large organizations and many authors have contended it for a long time.
You have for example, regardless of anybody’s point of view on it, The Jesus Seminar. There were no fundies with guns there.
There is never any excuse, ever, to physically harm somebody. Even if they are attacking you. The humane solution is to get out of the situation.
Should those who accept the theory of evolution as scientific fact be physically attacking by literalist Christians because the Bible says God created man as he is now? No, they shouldn’t – and to maintain otherwise is ludicrous.
I should add that I generally haven’t a problem with this particular article. Ultimately Peter’s identity will be uncovered as the Movement grows because freaks will do things like follow him home, etc,.
That’s really inevitable, and I’m sure he cannot afford body-guards. Though, one hopes in the future he will choose to if necessary.
Ultimately peter is nobody [as am I], he is just a boy who liked music, and then upon becoming a slightly more informed man decided to be publicly political and upon realising he was in hot water decided to withdraw and hide his identity.
Should he have the illusion he is of importance he would be fantasising, and this is what is silly.
Particularly compared to all the scholars in this world who have publicly stood up and taken the full force of every reaction to their claims, under their own name and in full view.
Though Peter and Jacque both give no credit to academia and just call it credentialism, but hey reading academics books and teaching yourself from them is ok right?
If these academics did not study and write these books people like Peter and Jacque [self appointed experts with no credentials] would be clueless, funny that isn’t it !
Yes you [brenton] are correct, peters identity would inevitably be found out, thankfully it was through innocent web trawling and nothing illegal or violent.
This conversation between you and I is over.
Bottom line, Peter J. Merola can’t have his cake and eat it too by running an international “movement” of hundreds of thousands and not disclosing his identity. Fame is not a one way street.
The same goes for Fresco and Meadows. They can’t exploit hundreds of thousands of people under the notion that they are going to change humanity, make money off them, and then not disclose their financial information.
‘Truth is never easy to swallow, but these people [ZM VP] are in need of a Tracheotomy’ Anticultist [2010]
I’m the anon who sent this information to anticultist. The first thing I want to point out is that it somewhat offensive and ridiculous for people to think he is in some great danger of being attacked by Christians. This isn’t 1930′s Alabama, it’s the 21st century. If PJ is in “danger”, it is more likely from the crazy people who think he works for the Illuminati and that sort of thing, but I really doubt anything would happen more than a crazy phone call. People like Christopher Hitchens don’t have a problem with speaking against religion publicly, and people like Alex Jones don’t have a problem talking about conspiracy theories, it is just egotistical to think PJ is any different.
But the main reason why I don’t care about respecting PJ privacy is because when did he ever respect the people he made conspiracy theories about? In the 9/11 part of Zeitgeist, he showed dozens of clips of people saying they heard explosions or bombs in the buildings. Did he ask these people permission to use these clips? Did he check to see that he was representing these people correctly, and they really thought there were literally bombs? I know that after videos like Loose Change came out, some of these people said publicly that their words were taken out of context and they just meant that “it felt like a bomb -but it wasn’t one”. On the internet people started saying these people were paid off, some of them had their lives disrupted by 9/11 truthers calling them and stuff. So should we feel sorry for Peter Joseph if the same thing happens to him? What about that guy who was on the phone when the tower fell and is heard screaming “OH GOD!!!” in Zeitgeist. Imagine how that guy’s family feels , his voice it forever being used to sell Peter Joseph’s message. Imagine if one of your family members died on 9/11, one thing you might do work on some kind of charity to help out the kids of other victims or something. Lots of people did stuff like this and they should be commended. Now imagine if you saw Peter Joseph using the audio clip of your family member’s death to sell his shitty movement that pretends to be some kind of charity saving the world but doesn’t do jack shit. Imagine having to see Peter Joseph’s stupid fucking face as he talks about his z-days creating awareness, while most of the time he sits at home and hides his real name. Wouldn’t it be the ultimate kick in the teeth to work hard trying to help people, and then see these stupid Zeitgeist followers acting morally superior to you while they “spread the word” by giving out DVD’s that turn a loved one’s death into a statement? I hope that Peter Joseph Merola himself finds this message and reads it, in fact I challenge anyone in his movement to post it on the Zeitgeist forum.
Nicely expressed, and I agree they are profiteering off emotional appeals, and using matters for their own personal advantage, without any thoughts about other peoples views and wishes.
These guys dont stop to think that other people may have valid counter arguments to their movement and ideals, and instantly believe they have the moral high ground without considering what we are saying.
The likes of us are considered, trolls, shills, agent provocateurs and other such pathetic paranoid shite.
What they dont stop to consider [using a rational mind] is that we are ordinary people who want whats best for the world as much as they do, only we see things differently and want to go about it in a much more rational manner.
All their fanatacism does is push them further and further away from reality, it seperates them from ordinary people, and shows them for being the cult we all think they are.
All of this secrecy about Peter Josephs identity, and secrecy about their financial transparency is absolutely needless, if they are as honest and good intended as they say, this information should of been readily available from the start.
screw tzm screw tvp and screw their secrecy
> I challenge anyone in his movement to post it on the Zeitgeist forum.
Without mentioning his name on their forum, I did mention that its been mentioned on their own IRC/Text channel the last two days, and the wiki has a link to the chatlogs. Considering that I saw moderators talking about not editing this information out of the logs, I assume its still there..
I suppose I risk a ban, it depends on whether you think I broke the rules by telling folk there was a copy of his name in their own systems logs or not is a crime..
For anyone interested in reading the irc shenanigans and mention of Peters real name in there here are the links.
I have provided an edited transcript of yesterdays irc chat log where discussions of Peter Joseph Merola’s real name occurred in the official zeitgeist movement channel.
Both users were promptly banned under the reason given they were invading a persons privacy, revealing details about them and trolling. Also pay attention how all the moderators suddenly appear and log in, VTV, Azzy, Apollo, Thunder, they just pop in and silence, ignore, avoid questions and ban.
Since all of us here are aware these details are not private and have been placed online by peter joseph and eric, this is not something the moderators of irc/teamspeak can claim as fact based.
Therefore the banning reasons are illegitimate, this brings into question why they wish users to not know peter josephs real name.
We all know that Alex Jones, Stephen Hawkins and others are happily living their public lives free from secret agents shooting them everyday and fundamentalists beating them with crucifixes.
So why is peter joseph suddenly so sensitive and afraid ?
What makes him so damn important to keep secret from his own fan base ?
The users asking and discussing you should pay attention to are Viper, SDivinorum, gundhalinu, Apollo, VTV, Azzy, Thunder.
A interview of PJ talking about some of this stuff called “Who is Peter Joseph” was just was put up on youtube:
[EDIT Anticultist -
The next 3 minutes 30 seconds of the next clip he goes on about his finances and a bit more about why he hid his identity. Then his ramble about economics and other stuff.
I will leave the rest of the videos off this page for anyone interested as its just Peter rambling on about zeitgeist and his ideas about society after these two.
You can watch the rest here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/charlesrobinsonfilms ]
I find it interesting that this interview was recorded & prepared a few months ago by charlesrobinsonfilms yet it has only gone online in the last 8 hours [Feb 14 -15th], Though I am sensible enough to allow time for editing and making the final cut over the last two months.
Conveniently though this video appeared just after we have started promoting this information to the zeitgeist members.
The user ‘Charles Robinson, a NY student’ Joined youtube:
13 February 2010
And his video has the same name in his titles as this blog ‘who is peter joseph?’.
Also the user only has that Peter Joseph set of videos on youtube.
Still odder they have set up a private website which is costing them $9 a month with the same name of the video ‘whoispeterjoseph.com’ and hosted these videos only there, which appears by its Record was created is on 2010-02-12, and giving the interview away freely at their own cost.
I am just thinking out loud here , but thats either a big coincidence or perhaps someone has been reading this blog ?
I am happy to go with coincidence though right now.
http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/02/16/who-is-peter-joseph-part-2/
A new thread about this post.
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Who is Peter Joseph? Part 2 « Zeitgeist is a mind heist – venus project is a scam ? said this on February 16, 2010 at 11:57 am |
Eric Merola was also in a short film called ‘Merde’:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1619378/
Here it is:
http://garrafilms.com/main/?page_id=173
Funny stuff.
Thats fucking terrible, thanks I was looking for that when I put up his imdb link, at least I now know that its absolute merde !.
http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=60&id=230522#230547
“in a world where lip service is the norm, aren’t you ready for some real problem solving?”
TVP isn’t. Despite what they claim.
Alot of the critics in my rather disatorous attempt(if I could call it an attempt looking back at it – damn AS) to at least make them aware that addresing the problems posed should be priority one for Roxanne,Jacque and Peter made a good point in saying that we dont seem to be doing anything here other than whining.So far Peter has simply derided this as character bashing when in fact the longer he ignores this and brushes it under the carpet rather than actually ignoring it(like with noam chomsky). Really he is just a bad leader if hes unable to respond to even the most basic of questions laid here(and most of them are important) then he seriously has no intention of taking this mainstream because this blog is a test.Its testing him on his ability to deal with the three pillars he’ll face out in the real world(the political pundit represented by me – the investigative journalist representive by anticultist – and the academic/expert represented by prometheuspan)the reality is this groups has NO hope whatesover of making it in real world if it keep pushing everything under the carpet.Im aware sie of have made snide remarks but as I said more these questions are not answered the more difficult it is for us to take them seriously anymore.If Peter wants to be a man and face the criticism hes been getting and explain himself he’s more than welcome to engage us in an actual debate…..lord knows we are.
of course theyre gonna pass this all off as character bashing, its easier to ignore all the important points and questions made everywhere on this entire set of blogs if they do that.
Denial is a very useful tool for ignoramouses like peter and his followers .
They have managed to avoid dealing with any of the questions and claims made by around 20 individuals here so far. I suspect they will continue, and perhaps at best they will write some long winded self serving piece about how nothing here is relevant and they have already disproven everything here yada yada yada.
None of which would be remotely accurate.
I dont think they realise I/we want the world to be better as much if not more than they do, but not with them arseholes runnning it or taking any credit for it.
I actually want Peter/Jacque & Roxanne to get more public just so they can finally be proven to be a bunch of pretenders and we can all then finally move on and get this shit started for real.
“I actually want Peter/Jacque & Roxanne to get more public just so they can finally be proven to be a bunch of pretenders and we can all then finally move on and get this shit started for real.”
taking them down is about starting it for real and allowing their users and participants to see the difference.
:)
I did like almost a year ago:
http://thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&id=116202&catid=231#116202
Actually, Jordan Maxwell exposed his full name when Peter Joseph’s first film came out and I only caught on it too it right after Zeitgeist: Addendum came out after listening to an old George Noory interview with him interviewing Jordan Maxwell on his other projects. The video there doesn’t work no more, but if you look up all the Jordan Maxwell interviews with Coast to Coast, I’m sure you can find it. I don’t feel like pulling it up again though, it would be time-consuming.
In the TZM Forums, they usually bash you or ban you. Back then, they were bashing me and my intent back then for that thread wasn’t even to expose him.
But yeah, it was only a matter of time before people started to get curious to who he was. I mean, when he did those interviews after the first film came out, no one knew what he looked like except those who he was close to of course. But what did PJ expect?
He released the first film publicly and live in NY under by his former alias “PJ Merola”. He didn’t think people would catch on? It’s not a privacy issue if the person releases their own information to the public.
I always wanted to hear that interview too with him and Laitman, just would be interesting to hear what was talked about in detail:
http://thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=7&id=169475
As far as the title “Who Is Peter Joseph?” could have been taken here as well:
http://thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=7&id=9929
I thought that was a common question.
Even though you have a Q&A of him, people still want information about a person matching with a face. I think that was done here crystal clear.
As far as the reasoning for him to use 9/11 clips in such a way, to him it was probably influenced due to being in New York when 9/11 took place. But I can still understand how those families must feel… Used.
Two of the IRC logs aren’t working now, but I doubt that you’re making up the stories that happened involving people being banned for mentioning Peter’s full name or finding out all of the sudden.
And as I was reading through the FACEBOOK comments here, I couldn’t help but point out that he created a FACEBOOK account and posted it as news:
http://thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=229&id=248755
Now, if you were worried about your safety truly, would you make an account where people can look through your connections and get closer to your friends/family/co-workers? I wouldn’t if I was a creator of a social-movement. But if he complains about getting more threats, that is clearly his own fault.
So yeah, we’ll see how this plays out.
I/we provided this information and since I/we did I/we have been given hate mail about being responsible for Peters safety.
But a video thats just been posted shows that Jordan Maxwell exposed him long before anyone did, this was on coast to coast back in 2008 with a huge audience. This was originally on youtube till the zeitgeisters complained to have it removed.
http://www.4shared.com/video/p7ay2-gP/Jordan_Maxwell_Exposes_Peter_J.html
The quote in the info of the video when it was stored on yoputube stated:
And I have to agree with them here, it is about time you fanatics started doing your research like these guys do, Jordan Maxwell ! I mean can you get any bigger conspiracy theorist exposing him !
You have wrongly accused us of the responsibiliy. Peter gave his name to Jordan Maxwell, Maxwell said it on a hugely popular radio show.
Peter Merola put his own information online everywhere as did his brother Eric Merola, its time you fuckers stopped putting the blame on us and blame Peter himself for trying to hide his details after putting them out for people to know.
oh and while we are at it, this video just outright shows peter Joseph based his entire shit on Jordan Maxwells work, he admits it straight up plain as day, and even goes to the point of hero worshipping the guy.
I’m glad someone set the record straight.
In a interview from 2007 with Jason Bermas and Dylan Avery, Peter Joseph talked about how great Alex Jones and Jordan Maxwell were, but in a newer video says that he really didn’t know who Alex was when he used his footage for the movie and trys to downplay Maxwell’s influence too. The interview was deleted off youtube a few months ago and I cant find it anywhere else though.
Thats Peter Joseph Merolas way, he lies when it suits him.
Hahah, it’s getting really desperate in here.
‘I saw a video that doesn’t exist anymore and it showed Peter blah blah…’ And then replies as if this were fact. I mean REALLY? Wow! I knew you guys were desperate for gossip, but this is just… Wow.
For the record, Peter always cites his sources. You talk like he’s kept it a secret that he’s used Maxwell’s work, despite being clearly written in the transcript & source info for the films, the numerous interviews he’s given where he speaks well of Maxwell, Maxwell’s voice being very clear & obvious for all to discern, etc. Maxwell himself speaks well of Peter…
Did you really want this blog to become a tabloid where you have to invent scandal to get more readers? Here’s one for you: “Brangelina was caught winking at Peter Joseph in NYC! Shocker!”
Sarcasm aside, it seems the only “fanatics” I’ve seen are you guys. Look in the mirror much? haha
Joseph Matthew:
It is fact. Are you this immature spreading awareness for your movement when people don’t get it? Do you have a fit often like this? I must say, you make TZM look more embarrassing.
It may look like gossip since that interview with Jason Bermas and Peter Joseph is gone, but it was talked about before – people have watched that interview before and knew how much Peter Joseph praised Alex Jones:
http://conspiracyscience.com/forums/topic/skeptoid-zeitgeist-the-movie-myths-and-motivations#post-2452
But I guess Sky is making up things too huh?
This blog is not a tabloid, it’s all informative about Peter Joseph and the Zeitgeist Movement. And for what the rest you have said, you’re making my head hurt.
Its hilarious, this video was even linked on their own wiki pages. Yes we have backed up that as evidence as well in case they decide to delete it :)
Thanks BranMan, though I’m not sure that linking to one of my other posts is going to convince Joseph that I’m telling the truth.
It’s worth a try and you’re welcome Sky. Oh wow, I done bust’d a rhyme.
You people against the TZM look more ridiculous than the TZM people themselves. Reading these posts are hilarious! Keep ‘em coming. I love your circular reasoning about everything. You use your conspiracies to condemn conspiracies, lmao!
There is no conspiracy here what so ever. There is mere speculation and due to timing, content and titling it is worthy of consideration.
There’s also a youtube video of Peter Joseph when he didn’t correct someone who called him “Doctor”… now I don’t know about you,
but in my book that’s straight-up antichrist dildo worhsip woman hitler stuff right there.
I know his type, he’s this navel-gazing hipster, and zeitgeist was just a hobby of his – if I was younger, I’d call up my buddies and we’d beat him up with a bat, make him our bitch and then dump his raped wop ass in little italy.
If there’s anything I hate, that’s immigrants and people being uppity about capitalism. If you work and wait for your turn, you’ll be rich… there’s nothing wrong with the system, the wrong one is you mister Pee-Jay Merola.
ok I agree with some of your sentiments but the raped ass, beaten body and stuff is a little too far for me:D
But yeah the guy is a prick and should be given no serious airtime at all because hes of no value to anyone.
If you’re smart anticultist, you’ll delete this.
@NWO Agent: I am smart and you know what I will do.
I will leave it up here for people to see the lengths that zeitgeisters will go to, to infiltrate oppositional views and try to turn them into perceptably aggressive groups.
I replied to their [Babe Ruths] post and stated that violence was not needed, they were the one who mentioned violence not I, since they are probably the guy ‘Super stylin’ who made the post in the Re:Peter Joseph thread about infiltrating oppositonal groups here:
This is a good example to show others how fail zeitgeisters are, and what incredible lengths they go to defend their cult
And regarding this post in the same thread:
I was never banned and I never ‘trolled’ their forum, this guy knows nothing about me or who I was on their forum.
@Babe Ruth
Well you fell enough into the trap for me to show you were infiltrating the blog:
see above for my evidence against you.
Just so you know I do not agree with your threats of violence, your racism or your christianity bullshit.
Your attempts to pervert this blog have failed, and you have been exposed as the charlatan zeitgeist cult member that you are.
Congratulations
I am so relieved that someone intelligent finally put forth a worth while post. A factual comment was long over due. This is precisely the point of the movement in itself. You have proved with disapproval. I am an uneducated kid with no economic, religious, social, nor political understanding, but the fact of the matter is people like you make me and the ethical population sad. I hope you steer clear of your own reflection. Deterministically, I am sad your parents raised you the way they did, but we are all products of our society, obviously. I truly hope with all of my heart that you go through some sort of moral revolution realizing the reprocutions of your actions, and I hope you realize this before your forced to.
Forced by peaceful people like you, true colours coming through now aren’t they. Tinpot dictators everywhere in the ranks of Zeitgeist, whack job central.
Thought I would add an addition to this while I was thinking about it:
See original image with his company name on it from his original zeitgeist production flyer:
Above image can be verified here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=160531&mesg_id=161145
The following listing his company on a bbc radio show:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/abachchristmas/pip/v32q2/
The following listing his company name on another track of his featured on marimba players website:
http://www.marimba.org/en/modules/tinyd0/index.php?id=5
The name ‘Gentle Machine Productions’ is Peter Merolas’ Limited Liability Company which is a registered company in the area of Kings in the state of New York, this is the business he originally set up to release his renditions of Bachs cantata on his marimba, but has since evolved to be his zeitgeist business.
He often quotes it as being GMP or G.M.P or GMP LLC, this not to be confused with James Coymans company of the same name, though that one was up for debate a while back.
http://appext9.dos.state.ny.us/corp_public/CORPSEARCH.ENTITY_INFORMATION?p_nameid=3232416&p_corpid=3222995&p_entity_name=GENTLE&p_name_type=%25&p_search_type=PARTIAL&p_srch_results_page=6
The world is flat! White people are superior, due to God’s liking. Anglican and Native American interaction was peaceful. Mankind is fine under the monetary system, because supply is as infinite as demand.
And you are clearly deranged.
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Hi, after revweing this blog, I clearly noticed only one single aspect above all. It focus purely on producing intrigue. And even if what is posted here is true it is completly irrelevant, for the issues aproached by ZTM are in fact truthful and correspond to our world reality. sorry about my english as it is not my native language.
Its all fact, this has been long established now, this blog was posted in February 2010. Nearly a year has passed by now and this blog is the definitive collection of information regarding who Peter joseph is.
The zeitgeist movement is a farce, noone takes it seriously other than boys who are unemployed have little education and a few grandads.
http://zeitgeistmovements.wordpress.com/2011/01/22/thezeitgeistmovement-com-demographics/
And dont forget paranoid conspiracy theorist wanna be hit men like it also.
Is this a real blog or just hair-dressing saloon gossip?
After reading some info about zeitgeist and this blog, i reached 2 conclusions:
1. TZM focus on solutions, you focus on destroying people’s reputation and honor;
2. ZTM’s theories can somewhat be proved, i doubt same thing can be be said about the speculation presented here.
Please enlighten me if i’m wrong.
Consider yourself enlightened I have allowed your post to be public and laughed at.
You’re so kind to share Your blog is so disappointing. You note how clever you must be for finding out Peter’s real identity… not a difficult task. Do you blame this man for trying to throw a little smoke down his trail. There are too many of you loonies trying to discredit his work.
Two… you point your finger at him and anyone who fits your brand of alternative theories and just assume everyone will agree that this is bad… just because it’s alternative?? WTF? Don’t you get that we need alternatives dude? Take a look around. Between the alternative idealogies proposed by people like Peter, Jaque, and others like David Suzuki, Paul Kingsnorth and the Dark Mountain Project, there is enough merit to seriously consider for the future because let’s face it, what we’re doing now, isn’t working.
I honestly feel sorry for you because you don’t appear to possess the vision, imagination or courage to consider something ‘alternative’… something that ultimately may produce a much more sustainable way of life.
However, I sincerely wish you luck with your progression of thinking.
This guy seems to think he knows me.
How funny it is to have internet people come along and assume they know the slightest thing about me.
No Plane intelligence please trot along.
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“This guy seems to think he knows me.
How funny it is to have internet people come along and assume they know the slightest thing about me.
No Plane intelligence please trot along.”
Also when you talk about yourself in the third person on blog spots putting yourself on a pedestal in a public forum, it shows that you have a slightly paranoid sense of your own world, unable to trust in others. It’s sad and I feel sorry that I can’t help you
“Consider yourself enlightened I have allowed your post to be public and laughed at”
the only person laughing is you, alone, in front of a screen. I’m sorry
And the hundreds of people who pass through here daily, I have a dashboard with browser numbers of thread viewers plankton.
Sheesh you probably could’nt help yourself to a free meal, let alone anyone else on the planet.
ís this thread still alive? I´ve read it all but I´m not that much wiser. Oh yes, I know Peters´ real name now and I know what he used to do for a living. He´s a pretty decent marimba player I have to say.
The only serious question raised here was about the transparency of the Venus Project finances but then the gossip department completely took over and focused on PJ Merola´s misbeliefs. Not once have the points made by TVP and TZM seriously been challenged here. Oh, interesting was also the part I read somewhere else on this website the fate of Sociocyberneering and its members. There was a real lead to something there but it didn´t really get picked up. Mister anticultist and friends, please work some on the presentation of your work because I lost a lot of valuable time with this thread. Make it a bit more to the point I´d say.
And there are many other solutions being offered to todays problems concerning environment, finances and social problems, TZM is not the only one and it´s ridiculous to degrade a movement of a little over half a million people for being concerned with these issues.
If any people here have better ideas, I suggest to present them in a decent fashion and put it out on internet. I look forward to it. If you want any crazy suggestions, I got plenty.
Meanwhile, I´m gonna ask Peter Josephs brother for a job as an animator :)
This blog is fairly inactive on my part due to me tiring of TVP/TZM and realising that they are never going to achieve their goals at any time soon if ever, and are just a current internet fad and cult. I have no further need to criticise them as I have done for the last 2+ years already and now other people have taken what I have done here and gone off on their own blogs and carried out more work.
You have not spent a lot of time reading things here then, because you are obviously just doing a little browse of the posts and making up an overall impression rather than dealing with specifics.
Not at all, it is not ridiculous to critique and pull something apart that is clearly made of hot air and string, you suggest its supposed numbers of members somehow is to make it more credible and immune to critic evaluation. This is a fallacy, in that case you should be less critical of the church of scientology, or Christians, or Muslims, or any other whackadoo cult and religion for that matter based upon your notion of member numbers. Its simply a silly thing to say as an argument point.
The usual trope from TZM fans is ‘where is your idea to improve the world ?’ Of course this is just a misdirection and a fallacy that because a person does not bother to suggest an alternative idea, then somehow that it invalidates the dispute against TVP. This of course is nonsense, the argument against TVP still stands and anyone with a sense of intelligence could see this. I have no real want to suggest a method to improve the whole world, I am not that arrogant to believe I could actually think of a plan that worked for every single human being on the planet, thats fairly deluded and egocentric to even believe one could too in my opinion.
The reason is I was discussing in private with the ex member, and he also himself said on numerous occasions in messages to me and on the post that he wished no further discussion of it all after a certain point as he did not want to be dragged into a big online debate or argument with current cult members. I respect peoples wishes, hence did not press the matter any further and left it to be.
If you think you can do better in criticising or assessing this movement then go ahead, I am in no rush to impress or attempt to satisfy your demands.
“…this is just a misdirection and a fallacy that because a person does not bother to suggest an alternative idea, then somehow that it invalidates the dispute…”
“If you think you can do better in criticising or assessing this movement then go ahead, I am in no rush to impress or attempt to satisfy your demands.”
Great contradiction here.
How about the context of the posts you have chopped up selectively to make it look hypocritical, you have failed.
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I was almost caught up also with this Zeitgeist movement. Thanks for the blog.
No problem, the place is a cesspit for teenage kids with delusions of grandeur, and failed adults who can’t function in society.
OK, don’t trust anyone. Stand in front of the people claiming that they find the absolute way to free peoples from the current situation. I agree that we should not trust anyone like a child. Even politicians or filmmakers! I assume that this man hide his true identity. but remember! sometimes it is not important who says! but it is important that what he says!!! Surely this document is not the only source for me or someone else to ensure himself that something is wrong in this world and some powerful corporation and big companies dominate peoples and their lives! you can go to some writers and researcher like “Fritjof Capra” who is write for example “The hidden connections” that he speak about integrating the biological, cognitive and social dimensions of life into a science of sustainability. You can see he is not a illiterate person! he is a famous Physicist and he won the book of USA award. in that bood he explain how big food companies scared people with some express like “there is no enough food” so with this excuse they establish a major business and use genetic engineering that is completely harmful to humans beings but gather them huge money! and people look at televisions and advertisement that show them starved Africans kids so people convinced that there are not enough food in this world so they fear and demand more food, more artificial food, and they pay money for that! so those companies become bigger and bigger and after a while like today! they controls all our food and demands! this procedures is being held in other branch of our needs and socials, too. like something that zeitgeist movies tell us. this movie is not the only thing that show these truth to us. many books, writers and people all over the word write about them! but unfortunately people get used to MTV’s aspect of thinking! and instead of thinking about the content of these discussion, they search for the identity of maker of such a films! and who is his brother… what he looks like… who was his last girlfriend… is he gay… or something like that. I dont know what is right situation of the world but surely I know what is not! and I see how big companies, federal bank, global bank, news, politicians and other fools people! but people follow them like a lambs and they pay taxes, go to war for them, even elect them! things are so obvious when we think about the USA’s wars in iraq! The cost of being in Iraq and Afghanistan is 119,000,000,000 dolor a year for USA! and who benefit of this? off course federal reserve bank! the government of USA is currently in the debt of 14 Townsend and 300 milliard dolor and it is the limit of debt!!! and like a game! they should begging the congress to extend this limit! and you know in this 10 years this limit increased seventy times! sounds funny!!!! even a child will laugh at this! that this limit just a game in USA that forced government to do what they want! so some one told something like this to us that only a few people may tell us in future or past! in world with thousands of televisions channel that want to fool us we should appreciate them and read more about it and say others about it and I think your point of view is not correct to search in some filmmaker’s life like Hollywood childish reporter and not listen to what he says. at the end I should mentioned that I have some doubt about this filmmaker and his goal and his information that expressed in movies but I learn and motivate too learn from this film and I really recommend this films to others! good luck!
Try making a logical point other than copying and pasting links with short non-quipped comments in between each of these links to third, fourth, fifth and umpteenth partied aposers to actions an individual (among many whom care to care now) whom stands up, with his neck out, on a line, for those to swipe their attempts of discrediting by way of this individuals past, in relation to what? He was a musician, he had long hair and was young once? He believed in a purpose other than whats been interveniously fed to the whole of our herd? But not the whole herd has been bought and paid for by the greed of the seven dwarfs (not literally by numbers as 7 of them). Your free to your opinions and not everyone is perfect, so whatever dirt you hope to dredge and pledge as a diversion to many of we the peoples attempts to free the will of our ways to a better tomorrow for all species on a planet being drivin unto itself by what use to be a majority of you the people whom gain more to profit from ignorance and despair. If it is hard to follow what ive tried to communicate here in this message, (that you will either delete or edit and post for your target practice for whomever you hope to impress by discrediting me as a follower, brainwashed victim of anothers ideal) try following what you blogged here as an attempt to communicate your opinion but were to lazy to give any real opinion but like i said in the beginning as your method of copy and paste with non-quipped irrelevant data taken by wikipedia and other readily available sources. but as i am a thinker, i was able to read between the lines (links) here to yours along with many and any others that will attempt the same in regards to cancelling out what they can not profit from, a better tomorrow for everyone, even you.
Sincerely,
Curtis.
Yada yada yada, try posting a comment that isn’t a wall of text.
I believe the majority of the visitors to this site want to see if the Zeitgeist Movement is real. I thank you for your blog, it only strengthens Peter’s, Jaque’s and my own personal views. Again, thanks.
Keep deluding yourself kiddo.
Delusion is a hard thing to break, I try though, maybe one day you will grow the fuck up.
Wow, all of you are SERIOUSLY IGNORANT. Peter Joseph is coming up with very clever ideas to prevent you and your family from being blown up one day when world debt has wasted all the natural resources and chaos has overthrown government.
This blog is interesting, only from the perspective that I am interested to learn about such an excellent empathetic man.
LOL OK. You obviously are new to this whole thing aren’t you.
The main reason why people manifest in this kind of blogs or debates, is that they are interested in getting to know if one thing or another is really true. In order to have a clearer view of what has to be purchased to start living a better life. And it is sane.
I personally think though, that we should try to focus more on ourselves. Zietgeist for example is really interesting and has very good points. But it is not a positive environmental system that makes good persons. It is good persons who make a positive environmental system. Thus, there can’t be (in a way or another) a place where people live and coexist peacefully, if at first place, people don’t start to change or evolve.
Having everything you need materially doesn’t really make you happier… Just look at wealthy persons, they are not necessarily happy because they can afford everything they want materially.
I think it is a global human challenge as much as a very personal one.
Humbly.
The information given is interesting, but doesn’t really negate a lot of what is said in the Zeitgeist videos. I typically try to look at everything with an open mind, but tend to find that most people are self serving so that does make me suspicious. I just don’t find this a reason to deny the truths that have been given. The system we have is flawed and seems destined to fail. The government is blatantly oppressive and has amped up the patriotism in the U.S., which seems to have made many Americans ignorant of the crimes we and our government are committing. I agree with being suspicious of people’s actions, but I agree that the Merola brothers have reason to keep their identities masked as people have fragile egos. People become violent when when their ideals are questioned. To defend this behavior is just despicable. People might act this way, but it doesn’t mean they should. Just because someone tells you that your beliefs might not be true does not give you the right to do them harm, because you’re offended. To tell someone that they get what they deserve when speaking out is horrible as well. You’re basically promoting the mentality of terrorists, criminals, and oppressive dictators. The excuse “that’s life” is completely ridiculous since individuals are responsible for their actions, not “life”. We have abilities beyond the other creatures on this planet, but we squander them and arrogantly view ourselves as better while acting worse than animals. It’s horrible that we attempt to do harm to those that search for the truth or who attempt to move past this barbaric mentality.
I am promoting the mentality of terrorists ? erm don’t be a dummy. I would never condone violence against someone, unless they willfully attacked me personally and directly with violence
And just because the system may have faults does not mean we have to fall for a half assed scheme like Merolas, which is fraught with many issues that simply won’t work ever.
And I have covered all these faults over the years on this blog and on numerous skeptic blogs and forums, so go digging if you wanna really be open minded and learn where you are going wrong with your beliefs..
This website is a joke. Trying to discredit peter joseph. His ideas are not from just one man. His ideas are the ideas of many aware humans, unlike the person or people responsible for this website.
One day you might wake up and join humanity.. Until then, no point in talking with you, as your heart and mind are closed.
If that is the best argument you have against the points made across all the blogs here then you should probably get yourself back to school kiddo. Peter Joseph is an art school drop out who made an art movie filled with debunked conspiracy theories, he then continued along that line adding more and more fabrications and nonsense. Some things he said were based in some level of reality but on the majority it was all garbage.
Even the Venus Project want nothing to do with him any longer, and they’re a pair of crank ideologists.
If you back up those kind of people then your credibility is of such a low level that your opinion about this blog quite literally means zero.
I don’t know who is still viewing this, but the type of language you are using is the language of war, poverty, disease and ignorance. As I slowly read through each posting, I feel an indescribable feeling of darkness, cruelty and hatred. Indeed, after I am finished posting I am going to leave this site and never return. If you really wish to discredit the ideologies of the TZM or the Venus Project, you need to print off the source guides and deal with the information bit by bit, discrediting each individual source, and thus usurping Peter’s information with some that is more legitimate. I have examined a few of the documents, and found that most of the information comes from legitimate, academic sources, typically from people who hold PhD’s or higher, and from most of the research I’ve done, I’ve found that Peter has never misrepresented anything.
It seems that whoever is running this blog is a twisted, hurtful individual who resides in a black, horrific abyss; waiting to strike anyone who wonders by. I sense malice, anger, maniacal intentions, and above all hatred. I am sorry for that, and I’m sorry that people are so vicious towards one another that they will devote hours of their life trying to harm them. I’m not sure what exactly makes internet bullying so painful and insidious, but I believe it has something do with not being able to face the people who are attacking you; being forced instead to watch the carnage unfold, knowing that anyone who speaks a word in your defense will be systematically ravaged and dismantled by this devious creature who lurks the blackness.
I cannot say much about Peter, as I do not know this man. I have spoken with him twice on Teamspeak, and exchanged a few comments on Face Book, but that is the extent of my actual dealings with him. I do know, however, that he has never asked me, or anyone else that I know, for a single red cent. He has posted all of his films online, for free. He has made his lecture material and companion guides available, for free. He has preformed live music venues to large audiences, for free. He has nearly bankrupted himself doing all this, and as far as I know the only method of helping with operating cost is selling a $5 DVD and a $5 dollar t-shirt. BIG-FREAKING-DEAL. I daresay that had any of you made an internet film that caught on, you’d have been sniffing out every opportunity to make a profit from it, and dared anyone to speak ill of you for doing so. Did Peter make a few factual errors in the first Zeitgeist? Sure, but he has corrected them, and it is obvious that he grows as an artist with every film that is released. Peter advocates trust, reciprocity, cohesiveness, egalitarianism and symbiosis. The real problem here is that you do not associate with any of those words, because the system has conditioned you to be out for yourself, and to arbitrarily grab whatever you manage to get your hands on, while simultaneously shoving anyone who gets in your way with the same hateful, blood-letting tactics you utilize on this blog. Jacque Fresco, Peter Joseph, and Roxxane Meadows are not perfect people, but they are very smart people, and they are very beautiful people. I would much rather have my son looking up to these individuals, rather than watching MTV and idolizing the neanderthals who fling around guitars and wear gold watches around their neck.
I examined the information presented in the films, and I (being educated myself) have found it to be credible, and entirely logical. I have also taken the time to listen to Peter outside of his films, such as his lecture material, and I have not found a shred of false, or misrepresented information in either of those. If you personally do not like what he has to say, then don’t listen. Or, better yet, spends thousands of dollars of your own money to write, score, research, narrate, produce and advertise your own movie, and on top of that, take a few more months to complete a proper bibliography, citing each and every source from which you extrapolated your ideas. Until you do that, you’re just another scornful voice on the internet, and anything you say about Peter, Jacque, Roxxane, or anyone else will always be devoid of merit.
Wall of text. Seriously I don’t give a damn what you think about me, zeitgeist is dead, and the venus project has been dead 35 years.
“Or, better yet, spends thousands of dollars of your own money to write, score, research, narrate, produce and advertise your own movie, and on top of that, take a few more months to complete a proper bibliography, citing each and every source from which you extrapolated your ideas. Until you do that, you’re just another scornful voice on the internet, and anything you say about Peter, Jacque, Roxxane, or anyone else will always be devoid of merit.”
I just felt this point could use repeating :)
You can feel that point needs repeating all you want, but Peter merely re used other peoples materials from various other documentaries and got his brother to do a few cute animations to bridge the footage together. in essence Peter made some music, big deal I can make music too and do everyday. He wrote some words to narrate over the imagery based upon disproved conspiracy theories that are all false and proven bulllshit, and he did some neat video editing. i will give him a thumbs up for his use of software and music creativity, also his brothers creative use of software to make animations, that is all the the credit he gets though.
Did he make a movie ? technically yes, did he create everything in the movie and is it all his original research and work ? no it isn’t.
So for those of you saying I should do these things, you have absolutely no fucking idea what I do for a living and what I know about the things it takes to make and score a movie.
I can have all the hostility and opinions about the content of the movie, the way the movie was made, and the soundtrack and recording because I actually know a thing or two about making movies, and I have also researched the content.
Well, that’s cool. I mean, good for you on knowing all about movies and music and all. I personally couldn’t give a shit about the movies in comparison with the lectures. But, anyway, you obviously put a lot of work into researching Peter Joseph for this blog. So, way to go on all that. My question is, what conspiracy theory specifically is being promoted by him that you take objection to, and how do you presume that he or anyone else intends to profit from it? What’s the motive? What snake oil do I need to beware of? I’d like to know, honestly.
And, isn’t every group/movement/ideology out there set up with the goal to in some way “change the world.” I mean, presenting ideas is how we grow. And, yeah, the movies, like the lectures and ideas, are built out of other people’s ideas, which is why other people are featured and given credit (as in most documentaries and lectures), and could also explain why Joseph would want to let the ideas themselves take center stage, rather than himself. I’m just saying, to me that makes sense. I still don’t see a thing to be angry about.
Of course you don’t see anything to be angry about because you like him and what he says, those of us who know he is making things up and has been a liar/bully over the years are more suited to make a true judgement of him as a person and his movements members.
His conspiracy theories are there is an Illuminati set of bankers running the world and trying to crush us all, bullshit. He believes 911 was an inside job, total bullshit. He also thinks that jesus was a myth, perhaps he was? this I would not argue is not true, but the facts he used to make his point are wrong in that whole section.
His lectures are literally the same material he uses in his movies, so whether you like how he presents his information matters not, because his material is faulty.
I am being intellectually honest about it. It’s why I asked. Thanks for responding up there finally where you did. I like the movies and, more so, the lectures, because they tie in and touch on plenty of ideas I have already researched and considered extensively–not because of some fancy film-making (because I actually don’t find the film-making all that brilliant.) I don’t get on with the 9/11 stuff either, and cringed to see that part of the one movie. However, from what I’ve seen and heard (which is a lot, not just one movie or something), he’s not saying it’s some Illuminati or any particular group–not really–but that corruption is a natural byproduct of the system–i.e. not masterminded by any one. So, that idea and many others are what draw me to the movement. I don’t agree with everything the guy, movement, or any one or thing else says or believes. But, so far, I don’t see where Joseph or any of them are lying or being frauds even if some (or even all) of what they’re saying is, in fact, wrong. But, again, thanks for your blog and responses. I’ll continue my research elsewhere.
His notion that greed is a factor in a lot of our problems is hardly ingenious, considering there is a catchphrase that has floated around for hundreds of years, ‘money is the root of all evil’. Being that evil does not exist in the biblical sense, then you could say this is all peter merola is saying.That is hardly ground breaking, and most average people on the streets can be heard to utter such trivialities.
BTW he does blame a secret group of bankers and corporations, he must believe that it is a select group of people, because these companies and banks are ran by individuals and decisions on their business actions are made by people, shareholders etc…
Peter Merola certainly follows the typical elite trope, elites is the illuminatti, and he can water it down with whatever word he tries, the fact is he is saying that a group of elites run the planet and their greed is ruining it for the majority.
He also claims that we have to stop them from doing it by opting out of their offers and doing something else. Much like communism/anarchism/technocracy and other such ideologies. He is literally offering a mixture of these ideologies and is claiming to have the solution to everyone on earths problems, really that should set off your alarm bells.
After reading many of these posts I see anticultist responses and reactions as portraying someone who is backed into the corner of the paradigm shift we are currently in and is fighting it by using all the predictable tactics including ridicule. Just look at all previous paradigm shifts in history and see the parallels.
I see a bunch of clueless self righteous idealists passing through, streaming their scientifically illiterate blarb on the wall.
Let the creature die, folks. Refuse to feed it,
trolling my own blog? how does that work ? Russs you came here to post not the other way round, you might have it ass backwards sonny lad.
Yeah actually I remember Peter saying on the official zeitgeist radio broadcast once that he wanted to be and worked hard to be a solo musician, but that that simply wasn’t profitable, and that’s why he turned to advertising and wallstreet, where he learned of all the atrocities of the system and then made zeitgeist movies to kinda redeem himself in a way, so that doing what he did wasn’t entirely useless to society, since he was able to learn a lot and pass it on via the movies.
At first movies are more about conspiracies (good ones at least) but later they are exclusively about science and applying it to society, and addressing root causes of the social-economical problems in society. It great to see how he progressed so much both as a person and a movie maker.
You really have not kept up with blog have you, Merola is a jerk, his movies are garbage, wel made garbage though, and his conspiracy beliefs are retarded.
Right on. You used logic and cut right to the point, Eagleshadow. But, of course, I guess Anticultist there did negate everything you said by simply throwing around pejoratives that he doesn’t substantiate with any points at all. Oh well, you tried, right? :p
How can you actually justify lies/conspiracy theories as being a valid way to make a movie ? If it was for entertainment and action /drama then sure make as many as you wish, but to use them as a factual documentary and then be expected to be taken seriously as a film maker ?
You have to be kidding, if you had actually researched the claims made in his ‘documentaries’, you would find a lot of it is mere speculation and outright fabrication, there are people in his later movies who wished to have no part in his movement or his conspiracy theory beliefs.
You have to wonder why that would be if Peter was making a movie and representing these people as if they were under his zeitgeist umbrella. It is because they as I know most of his other claims are false.
Having the skills to make a good movie are not the same as having the skills to technically create one, in other words his movies may be slickly made, but the content is a train wreck.
First of all, with a little bit of digging you’ll find that my name is not really Mary Smith 0_o Whaha. Well, not really whahah b/c who cares? I’m glad for this blog because I was simply curious, and it satisfied my curiosity. What I do wonder is, why such hostility towards a person for attempting to hold on to some privacy?? How does what you discovered invalidate him in any way? LIke, “holy shit, he was a MUSICIAN?” Horror of horrors! LOL
Anyway, it’s not surprising at all that the man makes some money somewhere. He has to to survive and exist within the system we live in. I would identify myself as a “Zeitgeister” right now, even though one of my jobs is telemarketing! I hate it, of course, and will stop just as soon as I can. We live in the world we live in–duh. Change doesn’t and can’t happen overnight, either for an individual, nor for society, much less the world. But, why so much hate for a guy that dares to simply propose an alternative system?
I would still entertain the idea that he was legit if he DID ask for money in some form or fashion to support the movement because, again, this is the world we live in and everything and everyone needs money to function in it. But, as it is, he doesn’t, nor does anyone else in the Zeitgeist movement. It’s hard to believe, it really is, but they don’t ask (much less “demand”) that you or I do a damn thing, really–except think and question things as they are. So, what in that request of us can be discredited? Most of what he says in his movies–and especially in his lectures (which I happen to think are much better), is pretty self-evident. We can only really differ on our interpretations of what to do with the info. His proposals and those of the Zeitgeist movement and Venus project overall are pretty radical in and of themselves. But, it’s simply innovative and humanitarian thinking. He’s not calling for allegiance to any group or party, nor for money, nor for an overthrow of the government or anything. And, although you say (or someone does) in an earlier comment that he “calls for boycotting of the monetary system,” I have not seen nor heard such a call. Can you direct me to it?
I can see disagreeing with his proposals. Great; I mean, most people would and do. But, I don’t see where it’s some big conspiracy just because he hasn’t plastered his info everywhere, and went with a different version of his name for his films and music. Artists, musicians, writers, etc., have been using pseudonyms for years, even before the internet. Even if the commenter who said he might be worried about needing a job to make money in the future is right–so what? And, it is all “thinly veiled” indeed. So much so, I would venture to say he’s not going far out of his way to hide anything at all. He’s simply not seeking personal fame and desires some level of anonymity. Really, again, so what?
Why hostility towards someone selling snake oil and conspiracy theory lies ? Why hostility towards someone who on his own website/forum showed the same kind of insulting behaviour towards those who questioned him and his movie ?
Why the hostility towards someone who wants to change the world and sets up a group/movement to try to do it, but wont even tell you who he is ?
You should really use your brain Mary, whatever your name is and consider some of us have actually had lots of first hand interactions with the guy and are not some fan boys tagging onto him 6 years after he made his movie.
No I won’t point you to where he says to boycott the monetary system, why ? Because it is not my job to show you where he made such stupid claims, I have followed that movement since its inception and I am no longer interested in this failure of a movement. I neither will look at my research notes and data to find things for you, nor will I even consider it to be a viable option, I have had all the debates and heard all the arguments for it and against it, and zeitgeist is for dreamers with nothing going on in their lives.
Zeitgeist is dead, it is no longer important to anyone other than people who have not researched the topic very well, or people who have only found out about it in recent times and think the idea is original and fresh. Those who have been following it from the beginning have realised what a pile of turd it is.
Alright then. I won’t trouble you for your “notes.” I’ll research elsewhere. I would like to point out that ideas and issues are timeless–they don’t expire in 6 years or 600 years. But, if you don’t want to talk about it, fair enough. xoxo
Much appreciated, it’s not my job to show people who are fans of the movies what is wrong with them, the information already exists in countless places online, including entire discussions and point for point analysis of every part of the movies.
Should you really be interested in seeing his movies be dissected and the information being shown to be faulty you could find it if you were intellectually honest about it.
So 100,000 + civilian casualties in the Iraq war which is also the longest war the U.S has been involved in this Century along with the countless casualties in Afghanistan although I do not know the numbers. Never mind the amount of soldiers killed on both sides. Whether or not any of Zeitgeist is true these figures clearly show that the U.S government has made the wrong decision along with several other countries on what to do in the situation of “Terrorism”. It’s all rather sad really that when someone does us wrong these days then we result to killing. We have seen 2 world wars and then the states went and fucked up Vietnam……..
When will the day come when people put the guns down and just agree to disagree. When money is not what drives us but instead people just try and make an honest living doing what they like doing. I don’t care who Peter Joseph is and if you do then fair play but there is enough evil in this world to continue showing hate against someone you do or do not know or against his or her beliefs.
I know that this post will be criticized as being irrelevant. People dying is never irrelevant though and all I want people to do is take a few moments to think about the poor families out there in war zones and feel something.
I actually agree with you about war and I truly dislike the atrocities committed in the name of nationalism, religion and political affiliations.
However just because I produced a blog exposing the nonsense in zeitgeist and it’s members/leaders, does not mean I am responsible for anything like your points.
Firstly I don’t kill people, I have not voted once in my life, I don’t own a gun, I do not provoke violence or act violently towards people. All I do is say what is on my mind, and disagree with people on the internet.
Anyway bottom line here if you disagree with war then do something about that by acting correctly, and doing something to make i change. You will not achieve it by watching a conspiracy movie and talking in a circle jerk/internet forum online.
[...] did take a different route Peter, you hid your name because you were ashamed. You named yourself PETER J until you were exposed as Peter Joseph Merola, a marimba player/day trade… Until this day you still hide your identity and call yourself “Peter Joseph”, never [...]
Peter Joseph Merola Launches Message to Haters « Zeitgeist Movement Exposed said this on April 6, 2012 at 7:07 am |
“But the main reason why I don’t care about respecting PJ privacy is because when did he ever respect the people he made conspiracy theories about? In the 9/11 part of Zeitgeist, he showed dozens of clips of people saying they heard explosions or bombs in the buildings. Did he ask these people permission to use these clips? Did he check to see that he was representing these people correctly, and they really thought there were literally bombs? I know that after videos like Loose Change came out, some of these people said publicly that their words were taken out of context and they just meant that “it felt like a bomb -but it wasn’t one”. On the internet people started saying these people were paid off, some of them had their lives disrupted by 9/11 truthers calling them and stuff. So should we feel sorry for Peter Joseph if the same thing happens to him? What about that guy who was on the phone when the tower fell and is heard screaming “OH GOD!!!” in Zeitgeist. Imagine how that guy’s family feels , his voice it forever being used to sell Peter Joseph’s message. Imagine if one of your family members died on 9/11, one thing you might do work on some kind of charity to help out the kids of other victims or something. Lots of people did stuff like this and they should be commended. Now imagine if you saw Peter Joseph using the audio clip of your family member’s death to sell his shitty movement that pretends to be some kind of charity saving the world but doesn’t do jack shit. Imagine having to see Peter Joseph’s stupid fucking face as he talks about his z-days creating awareness, while most of the time he sits at home and hides his real name. Wouldn’t it be the ultimate kick in the teeth to work hard trying to help people, and then see these stupid Zeitgeist followers acting morally superior to you while they “spread the word” by giving out DVD’s that turn a loved one’s death into a statement? I hope that Peter Joseph Merola himself finds this message and reads it, in fact I challenge anyone in his movement to post it on the Zeitgeist forum.”
To be honest if I lost a family member in the events of 9/11, I would want their death to mean something, or reveal something hidden about the events if it could. You say PJ used the death of this man to advertise his product, it could also be said that this death was used to advertise the message. Do you think every time a family member walks by a war memorial or representation of the dead for national service they are offended? What about the deaths of those on 9/11 being used to sell nationalism and create a feeling war on the popular news media at the time? What level of context was used or misused then?
Of course the zeitgeist movement has an agenda.. Everything does, including you and I, its when that agenda is hidden that there is cause for concern.
Also a little off topic, but it seems like there is a lot of hate for “conspiracy theorists” here, but whether you believed 9/11 was a false flag attack or a terrorist attack or anything in between, you are believing a conspiracy theory. And I doubt that if you explained the idea of a false flag attack to a 5 year old they would “burst out in convulsive laughter”. It’s a pretty simple theory really, not that far fetched in a world of nationalist fervor.
How could anyone be offended by a memorial to the dead ? This question is plain dumb, that is unless you are a pacifist who is offended by the use of humans to profit a countries political agenda, which would at least hold some merit.
On the other hand using dead people to profit a persons wallet through selling false conspiracy theories is extremely offensive and uneducated. The very fact [if] you had a family member dead in 911 and that you yourself appear to back conspiratorial thinking, would make you yourself a sidetracked believer in make believe stories.
It saddens me when people come along trying to find meaning in something chaotic and uncontrollable such as the events of 911. The fact that a bunch of terrorists managed to carry out the most devastating attack on US soil is not enough for conspiracy theorists. They have to invent some other supernatural and out of the ordinary belief system to navigate their way through something that has been thoroughly explained and understood by the rest of society.
There are no fantasies why 911 happened, it was just a bunch of motivated people who would blow themselves up in order to kill as many of their ‘enemy’ as possible. This has been happening across the world for decades, the very fact Americans were ignorant to this happening and never experiencing it in their own country just shows how sheltered their existence was. The rest of the world thoroughly understands how motivated and pernicious terrorists are, and 911 is yet another example of how well they conduct their operations worldwide.
I did not state any of my particular opinions or beliefs on the matter, I used an “academic” approach of sitting on the fence. The war memorial example I used was to illustrate that it is no new or shocking thing to have the dead used to represent idealistic intent (no i’m not saying its a good thing, but how can you deny that fox news did the same thing? Or that your (our) own government does it regularly?). You say “to profit a persons wallet” but what if peter joseph died tomorrow? would your article be using the dead to sell an idea, to profit your metaphorical wallet in views?
It is really interesting to see someone attack another in ways like this;
“Imagine having to see Peter Joseph’s stupid fucking face as he talks about his z-days creating awareness, while most of the time he sits at home and hides his real name.”
With the information posted in from a guy called “Anon”, yeah the idea of someone hiding their name for the sake of selling an agenda or idea is really scary, right anon?… (in essence that makes anon three times as sinister as peter, as at least peter game us two parts of his name)
To be honest it doesn’t matter what my or your personal feelings toward the matter (of 9/11) are, (Personally it saddens me that people seem to be so nationally propagated to that they refuse to believe their government is capable of performing the acts that got them writing the history books in the first place, but my opinion on the matter means nothing really). Try to veiw the whole incident from an outside perspective and you’ll see that both sides of this particular argument do have merit, if you can’t see that then it seems American nationalism has been successfully propagated to you as the events around the incident are as questionable as the incident itself.
I’m not trying to say what happened on 9/11, because I wasn’t there, I wasn’t in NORAD on the day it happened so I can’t tell you if Dick Cheney is telling the truth or not, it’s not really in my place to say either way what really happened, as I do not know, as I assume neither do you. So comments like this;
“There are no fantasies why 911 happened, it was just a bunch of motivated people who would blow themselves up in order to kill as many of their ‘enemy’ as possible. This has been happening across the world for decades, the very fact Americans were ignorant to this happening and never experiencing it in their own country just shows how sheltered their existence was.”
Really mean nothing to me, as you are just speculating. No offense or anything, its just beside the point to share what you think really happened, I certainly didn’t. I pointed out the fact that whichever side you believe or don’t believe, is a conspiracy theory in ways. I didn’t say anyone was right or wrong.
Plus you are so easy to declare someone a “terrorist”, when the term itself is highly subjective, can I ask are if you are for or against the war on terrorism? Because the main cause of “terrorism” is war; where ones terrorist is the other sides revolutionary or freedom fighter, where lines and sides are drawn, and traitors and patriots are declared. Another question would be do you believe the George W Bush is a terrorist or a war criminal in this same context? He killed civilians in attempts to assassinate his “enemies”, using methods that could be considered from an outside perspective to be of “terrorist” nature.
In all honesty I read your article with no care for your background or history, I consumed what you offered in information and formulated my own view and opinion, much like when I watched Peter’s films, and much like when I watch different news reports and read national news papers. When you bring the author’s history and personal beliefs into it, you give credit to the idea of the author (which, again, personally I think is a good thing), but we are living (arguably) in post modern times, where it does not matter so much as to WHO wrote it, but WHAT the message is.
It just seems like “discrediting” one person when hundreds of thousands people still exist with similar mindsets achieves nothing, to really debunk the idea in this manner you would have to release “discrediting” reports like this about every single member and affiliate.
Thank you for the information though, opening discourse and freely providing perspective is respectable, which is really why I felt I had to comment on the matter as Peter (whoever) pretty much did the same thing.
I don’t watch Fox news so I have no idea what you are talking about.
My article could get no views and it would still be here, it’s number of views are irrelevant to why it was written. It was written because Peter Joseph opened his mouth in public and it needed addressing. So who cares whether it out lasts him or me ?
There is no speculation in 911, the evidence is there to show what happened, if you choose to disbelieve it and ignore that is your misguided way only, it has nothing to do with my ability to see fact from fiction whatsoever. you won’t muddy the waters round here concerning conspiracy theories because facts are not conspiracy theories, at least try to understand that before trying to put nut case theories on the same level as scientific evidence.
I am against any form of religious bigotry that casues one country to attack another in the name of an invisible sky daddy. I don’t believe in human beings killing one another in the name of whatever hand puppet they believe in. Plus the war on terror has nothing to do with the legitimacy of the evidence for terrorists attacking the trade centre, the fact is terrorists did carry it out, there is not a debate about it from anyone with a brain.
George Bush is just a person in a long chain of people who carry out orders under pressure from military and public personnel. As to whether he is a terrorist, don’t be silly. He might have been incorrect, misled, lying or completely uninformed but to categorise him as a terrorist is foolish. Seeing that the army were the ones killing everyone are you going to call every armed forces member a terrorist too? I don’t think you are going to get very far with your line of thinking.
You say you are against any form of religious bigotry but I find that extremely difficult to believe with the kind of language you use around things that you don’t like. You actually seem very bigoted using words like Zeitards, and debasing years of philosophical approach with your “invisible sky daddy” remarks, what does this acheive? are you trying to flame people into an emotional response so you can later declare the higher ground?
You say you are agaisnt nationalism and killing but you don’t think that a nations leader is responsible in any way for the actions commited in his term of power? Oh yeah just the shadow government who you seem to declare as blame free? Because they are not the puppet at the front?
What exactly do YOU define as a terrorist then? As you seem to be ignoring the terms actual definition.
Who cares what i think I am not here to talk about me, you seem to be mistaking me for someone who actually gives a shit about what you think.
News flash: I don’t
I don’t believe in conspiracy theories as they are not real, I see zeitgeist and the venus project as a bunch of internet kids with no clue about reality, and the best thing about it all is they think they are more intellectual and righteous than the rest of society.
Zeitards have no idea how the world operates, they think there is some big plan to suppress things and control everyone and I am uninterested in what you think about that or me.
I see a lot of irresponsible comments on who this guy might be. Who the fuck cares! Peter tackled the problem with the monetary system and released the info publicly. Not original, he’s not the first one but has been the most successful conveying the message, no doubt. Now, accusing him or the movement of having links with occultists or obscure organizations is one of the most stupid things I’ve seen. Have you ever seen the movies critically? Nobody is asking anybody for money and actually proposes to end the slavery we are all subjected to with a Resource-Based Economy. If somebody thinks that the way the banks and financial institutions have enslaved the world is all right and the RBE economy is not a desirable alternative- even though it is imperfect- then we are all enjoying life and Peter is a liar. But we all know we have been conned into believing that we live in paradise. Give me a break. Furthering the conflict and strife instead of finding the common ground to lay the foundations of a new civilization for the betterment of humankind, resorting to slander campaigns will lead us nowhere. I am not part of the Zeitgeist Movement and I will never be but I would have to be a moron to not recognize that these guys are going in the right direction. There are many other organizations and movements that also recognize the fact that we should break free from the shackles that we have actually defended ourselves. Stop being mired in bullshit and get to work in a better world. If not, at least don’t stand in the way of other people doing their job to actually free your slave ass.
Noone has associated him with occult organisations who is related to this blog, perhaps the odd person commenting may have. That is none of my business or responsibility what others believe, I certainly don’t believe that.
But as far as making comments about who he is and what bullshit he tells us about the monetary system and his conspiracy theorist bullshit I stand firm about.
Calling me a slave hardly makes your argument anymore solid, in fact it just makes you look fucking stupid.
We are all slaves as long as we live in this stoopid monetary system. We are all stupid as long as we don’t break free. It hurts to know the truth and that stirs emotional reactions of denial. Sorry to see you hurt for that fact.
What exactly are we slaves to in the monetary system ?
How exactly do you know this ?
I mean the very fact you feel dis-empowered and money-less means nothing on the broader scale. Just because you feel embittered towards those who have more than you and are struggling to find your way out is no sign of everyone else being unhappy or being ‘slaves’.
You are probably one of those people who believes the fractional reserve system is some conspiracy hatched up to ruin you. Yet another form of delusional conspiracy thinking in action if so.
One of my online friends has a post on one of his blogs that will put it in perspective to take away your sadness and skewed thinking.
http://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/2012/04/22/follow-the-money-debunked/
Also another online friend who ran the skeptic project website did a splendid assessment of the zeitgeist movie and it’s claims about the financial industry.
http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/articles/zeitgeist/part-three/
Wow. Bitter indeed. Keep debunking. That will not change the fact the Money-Based system keeps conning people into believing they need money. Probably money was a fairly good solution centuries ago but not anymore. I see you spend your energy attacking me and telling me I feel like this or like that. I’m just presenting the facts and you keep trying to deflect without solutions. A Resource-Based Economy is not a prefect solution- there are none- but it’s the best one within our reality we need to shape in order to end the continuous strife and violence people have been conditioned to resort to. I will no longer respond to your diatribes since I imagine you and I have lives. Have a good one.
You can not possibly have read those two articles in the time it took you to respond, which is further evidence of your confirmation bias.
The lack of interest in reading information that counters your belief system, and yes a belief system is all it is you hold, adds further to my point about how you are merely a conspiracy theorist and not academic in the slightest.
Like wise you did not answer my questions, how exactly is one a slave ?
You like to throw claims out that people like ‘Merola are saving my slave ass’, yet provide no valuable explanations or information in how this exactly is being achieved and what exactly they are fixing in the first place ?
It is ok to come here and play morally superior, but when someone pulls you up on it you tuck your tail in and run away shreaking about being bullied.